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I found the Victory Vision prototype that Polaris thinks will be their biggest seller:

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I thought that was the new Indian E-Bike.


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It sounds like they will continue to grow the Indian brand.
Thats the Bottom Line, IMO, they are deeply committed to Indian, they need the $$$ to keep it going. Frankly, I wondered why they didnt do it sooner, nothing against Victory, just seemed they were more committed to Indian.
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.................... just seemed they were more committed to Indian.........
"Indian" is where I would have put most of my money, if I were running Polaris. It's been around FAR too long, to put "Victory" ahead of it, in terms of committed funds.

On the other hand, if Victory had shown SIGNIFICANT growth, in terms of Sales, that MIGHT have been another story!!

Looking at it from the other side, those who bought a Victory, have a relic in the making in their possession. It remains to be seen if the value increases once it no longer is being manufactured.
I suppose there IS the possibility that any bikes that are "out there" already, will have as much unique value as say, a Hudson, or _____________ (fill in the blank for any "no longer available" creations).
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Victory has been around about 10 years longer than Indian.
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Try trading in a Victory now and see what it's worth to a dealer.

Why they didn't dump the car thing instead I don't know. It's just a hopped up ATV that isn't good for much other than looking silly on three wheels with a helmet.
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Going back to Can Am, the early bikes and now the three wheeled thingies. Bombardier owned Rotax who make the engines for Skidoo. To keep the factory busy making engines, they came up with other engine powered things. Like those water buzzing gadgets and so on. They sold engines to other brands.

Back to Polaris. They may be in a similar situation. But closing one brand does not fit my story. Darn. I hate it when that happens.
Maybe the Victory motors were too costly to build. At least that is what BSA Triumph said about the 450 DOHC engine of the early 70s.

US law has required a 7 year parts supply for a long time. So it is only 3 more years before they can dump old stock, to the pennies on the dollar folks.

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Re post 41 from Porky.
I have been looking for the " durable rear suspension " It looks like a hard tail to me.
Has " dual discs " one on the front and one on the back. So a slight twist on terminology.

Guy near here made his own E bike using a Honda dirt bike frame. Said it was just a matter of sourcing a decent motor and batteries. The rest he made.
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It is too bad the brand is going away, although they were not my style.

I am glad to see they will still be making Indians, which is a bike I could see owning someday. And, contrary to the flow of this thread so far, I could see myself owning a Slingshot one day, and I am glad to see they are going on with them.


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I'm really feeling bad for a lot of the Victory dealers. Many of them have built new, big shiny building in the past few years. They have a huge investment that will hang over their heads and may put some under. A few may be able to pick up Indian or another major manufacturer. But just as many, I fear, are screwed.

I amuses me that some people seem to be happy that Victory has folded up the tents. Exactly how is loss of jobs, loss of choices, and loss of competition better for anyone? (except the Polaris shareholders)

As a long time Victory owner, I am quite disappointed and maybe a little more annoyed than I oughta be. I'm shopping for another bike right now. And while this purchase won't be a Vic, I had planned that when I was ready for another cruiser that I would have the option of buying a brand that has givien me nothing but quality in the past 11 years.

Victory didn't die, it was sacrificed at the alter to re-animate the corpse of Indian
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I used to sell:
Can Am, Triumph, Evinrude, OMC stern drives, US Yachts, Tanzer, San Juan. That is a few off the top. They all closed shop.

I used to own: BSA, Norton, Saturn and probably a few more. They all closed shop.

I still own a Singer sewing machine that I need info for. Working on that.

What we buy new, gets old pretty quick in the eyes of others.

Sometimes stuff becomes a collector piece, even tho it was not much good to begin with. Early seventies Nortons are over $10,000-
I think I sold one of the fastest Nortons for $800-
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I found the Victory Vision prototype that Polaris thinks will be their biggest seller:

Walmart Enters E-Bike Market! - Motorcycle.com News!

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Looks a lot like what your riding now.
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R.I.P. Victory Motorcycle. Thanks for the memories!! It was an adventure!


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Plan on keeping my memories alive a bit longer .. Getting 150,000 Miles out of a Victory as long as serviced right is not an unusual thing know of several right in my own area and it's not like Victory's are on every corner so I have 70,000+ Good Miles to go plus the Fact have Kevin X of Southern Motorworx 20 miles away in High Springs, FL who was Service Manager of Gainesville Polaris when I bought my 2012 Cross Country and consider him a friend as well as the best Indy around to take care of my Victory .. Still have my Indian Scout and Dyna for back up so between the 3 see a lot of good miles ahead for some time to come ..

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What was interesting to me was the guy was very positive about the future, said they were looking forward to the new trade agreements and there was good potential for the economy under the new administration. The Trump administration would use "good people making good decisions."

Yet the subtitle of the article said: ..."discusses his decision to end Victory Motorcycles, as well as the risk to global trade under the Trump administration."

Yellow journalism, again.
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It is too bad the brand is going away, although they were not my style.



I am glad to see they will still be making Indians, which is a bike I could see owning someday. And, contrary to the flow of this thread so far, I could see myself owning a Slingshot one day, and I am glad to see they are going on with them.





From the front these things are pretty sexy, but I can get over the rear. It looks like they never finished it.

I wonder how the single rear wheel affects handling?

If they added a wheel and some decent rear styling the slingshot would probably sell like crazy

Aulthough that would take it even farther away from "motorcycles"


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What was interesting to me was the guy was very positive about the future, said they were looking forward to the new trade agreements and there was good potential for the economy under the new administration. The Trump administration would use "good people making good decisions."

Yet the subtitle of the article said: ..."discusses his decision to end Victory Motorcycles, as well as the risk to global trade under the Trump administration."

Yellow journalism, again.
I never looked at the article. I just listened to what he said and watch his mouth for edits.

But I've seen those crazy voice overs so that don't mean much either.

Still better than reading what they think.

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Eh.... My opinion is only a coward would say such a thing to a complete stranger on the internet.
And I'm not the one who got pissy because someone dislikes their brand of bike.


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I ride Harley's so I'm kind of used to people insulting my bike brand on the Internet.




It seldom happens in real life though. Wonder why?
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No one actually says "Dam^ your bike is ugly.

But saying "That crap is ugly" about a brand? C'mon the "my crap smells better than yours" argument has been going on since I can remember. ;-)

Normally folks just don't take offense...



I can remember one time on the way to TMS NASCAR races a friend and I were having the classic Ford VS. Chevy dust up when his OL started insulting "My truck". It was funny though, my truck was a bit of a high-mileage POS because my daughter had just totaled my nice one.


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But saying "That crap is ugly" about a brand? C'mon the "my crap smells better than yours" argument has been going on since I can remember. ;-)

Normally folks just don't take offense...
Oh, I think he was kidding and I doubt he took offense. I mean, he rides a Victory for cripes sake. How can you do that and not expect to take some kidding? The Vision looks like a space ship and the other models look like Harleys with Down's Syndrome.
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Oh, I think he was kidding and I doubt he took offense. I mean, he rides a Victory for cripes sake. How can you do that and not expect to take some kidding? The Vision looks like a space ship and the other models look like Harleys with Down's Syndrome.
I remember when one of them space ships parked next to me. Yami darn near fell over. Both of us had never seen one. I had been calling Yami a couch on wheels, and then a real couch on wheels showed up. It looked so comfy, I would probably fall asleep if I ever rode one.

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Oh, I think he was kidding and I doubt he took offense. I mean, he rides a Victory for cripes sake. How can you do that and not expect to take some kidding? The Vision looks like a space ship and the other models look like Harleys with Down's Syndrome.
Well, in that case I'm the sensitive Lass....
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I remember when one of them space ships parked next to me. Yami darn near fell over. Both of us had never seen one. I had been calling Yami a couch on wheels, and then a real couch on wheels showed up. It looked so comfy, I would probably fall asleep if I ever rode one.

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Really?! Wow!! Didn't know that!!

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Yeap. I don't know the exact dates, but Victory started about 1997 during the height of the "custom bike craze." It was about the only one of the many companies that sprang up that actually had a well designed, well built product and the ability to market it and run a professionally led company. They're probably the only one of that era that survived this long too.

Indian started in about 2007 in Kings Mountain, North Carolina, but was owned by an English company. Polaris bought it a few years later.
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Yeap. I don't know the exact dates, but Victory started about 1997 during the height of the "custom bike craze." It was about the only one of the many companies that sprang up that actually had a well designed, well built product and the ability to market it and run a professionally led company. They're probably the only one of that era that survived this long too.



Indian started in about 2007 in Kings Mountain, North Carolina, but was owned by an English company. Polaris bought it a few years later.


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From the front these things are pretty sexy, but I can get over the rear. It looks like they never finished it.

I wonder how the single rear wheel affects handling?

If they added a wheel and some decent rear styling the slingshot would probably sell like crazy

Aulthough that would take it even farther away from "motorcycles"


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If they added a wheel, they would have to add all the "safety" crap like airbags, TPM, etc.; and pass collision tests for automobiles. Which would basically kill the concept. Govt regulations sat the 3-wheels in a motorcycle, exempting it from those regulations.
I've driven a Slingshot, and had little trouble getting the ass-end to kick out with a little "expression of the throttle foot" To me, it dove like a poorly made econo car with more engine.

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Speaking of Indian and E bikes, mentioned above.
Munro bikes, named after Burt Munro of fastest Indian fame, have a made in China E bike, that looks like a tough bicycle, with an Indian appearing mid engine. Basically a copy of the old side valve V twin. But I think the actual motor is in the rear hub. George uses the hub motors.
Top speed 28 mph. They think they will sell millions of them in China, as the air is often too thick to breath. About $1,700- US.
Found it on my daily financial feed. Have not tried to Google it yet.

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Every manufacturer produces cruisers, some a plethora of cruisers. Considering the size of the market, its cruiser oversaturation and buyers have numerous brands and models to choose from. Not good from a manufacturers perspective. Polaris owning two companies competing for the same customers, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Every manufacturer produces cruisers, some a plethora of cruisers. Considering the size of the market, its cruiser oversaturation and buyers have numerous brands and models to choose from. Not good from a manufacturers perspective. Polaris owning two companies competing for the same customers, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
It actually makes more sense than you think.

For one, competition drives everyone to make better products. It inspires innovation. And from Polaris' perspective, it's a win/win. Because whether you buy an Indian or a Victory, they still get paid, while self-competing to make a more viable product for either name.

And this is not a rare practice, either. Numerous fast food chains are owned by the same parent company. I can think of Taco Bell and KFC off the top of my head. Whether you elect to go for some fried chicken or a taco...you're paying the same people. While they compete to provide products that will draw you more toward that individual brand over the others. All while also downplaying the effects of the monopoly.

Another strong example of this, is with the WWE. They hold what is basically a total monopoly on major professional wrestling. Their 2 main outside competitors are...shall we say...not exactly threatening. TNA is a joke, and ROH is a glorified "indie fed".

To this end, in the absence of credible competition, the WWE has split its roster into 2 major "brands", and several smaller, supporting products. The 2 brands that compete directly against each other on national TV ( both on the USA network ), are Raw and Smackdown. Each with a unique roster ( which gets scrambled up once a year in the annual "brand draft" event ), and unique management staff, and ran and monitored competitively. This drives both halves of the company to work hard to create products that people will flock to, and keep things interesting and innovative. Although, regardless of which brand prevails from week to week, the WWE as a whole profits equally.

It's actually genius business. I question Polaris' decision not to embrace this opportunity for at least a little while, to experiment, and see if one ends up operating at more of a loss, or if both could be quite profitable. Total missed opportunity...

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Speaking of Indian and E bikes, mentioned above.
Munro bikes, named after Burt Munro of fastest Indian fame, have a made in China E bike, that looks like a tough bicycle, with an Indian appearing mid engine. Basically a copy of the old side valve V twin. But I think the actual motor is in the rear hub. George uses the hub motors.
Top speed 28 mph. They think they will sell millions of them in China, as the air is often too thick to breath. About $1,700- US.
Found it on my daily financial feed. Have not tried to Google it yet.

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I question Polaris' decision not to embrace this opportunity for at least a little while, to experiment, and see if one ends up operating at more of a loss, or if both could be quite profitable.
They did that for about 5 or 6 years, so I guess they had an answer.
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I ride Harley's so I'm kind of used to people insulting my bike brand on the Internet.




It seldom happens in real life though. Wonder why?


I hear ya, I was at a ride in once, a guy was being loud , Obnoxious , harrassing folks and running his mouth and saying things about people being "Posers", and people who rode Harleys were *******s etc.he looked at me, I smiled and said "Choose your next words carefully", His face dropped and he walked away...LOL Not that I am a "Tough Guy", I just dont take any BS. so AMEN...Eye!
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From the beginning of the revived Indian brand I was surprised that the company making Victory would start making a bike to compete for the same slice of the market. I was intrigued by the Cross Country, at least until I actually rode one and was definitely not impressed. We'll see how well Indian does over time against Harley. I know exactly one person with an Indian, and he owns a new Roadmaster. Cost him a fortune, is even heavier than my Goldwing (and without a reverse gear) and he says that the heat on his legs during low speed riding is almost unbearable. Not for me, but I wish them luck.

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