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Handicapped parking

I really hope I am preaching to the choir here, but I have seen a very disturbing trend lately and hope to bring it to people's attention.
In the past I have seen motorcycles park in the striped areas around handicapped parking stalls and just this week I saw two different bikes in two locations doing just this thing. To answer a question: no neither one of them were Dr. House.
To me this is just rude and ignorant and it gives all of us a bad name. Sure, those handicap stalls are some prime spots and I would love it if there were designated motorcycle stalls in all parking lots (I have seen a few just around here), but there is a good reason for the way they are set up. I am saying this from a personal perspective because my brother is in a wheelchair from a dirt bike accident. His truck is set up so that the wheelchair is hooked to a crane in the back and swings out to his door greatly improving his mobility and independence. I know that many handicap vans are also set up with lifts that come out from the side doors for the same purpose. Obviously a bike parked in the striped areas can cause a major problem with both.
If we want respect from all the cagers out there then it is only right that we give respect to those who legitimately need something to help them get around as well.
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I saw someone with theit big Kawi cruiser parked in one of them spots today... a nice bike, would have been a shame for the cops to have to tow it.

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I agree. I have family who have a genuine need for those handicapped spots. When I drive them I always look for the spots with that extra space to ensure they can safely and easily enter and exit the car.

It's a damn shame these riders are using the space to park their bikes.
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The only striped area I will park in, and always will, is when that area is an endcap on a row of angle parking. There are numerous stores including the local WalMart that have angled parking with that wasted little triangle at the end, usually enclosed with a few posts. I do park there. It would be really cool if they'd actually put signage that it is for MC parking. If anyone ever commented to me about it, I'd point out it is one more open parking spot nearer the door for them. I'm using "wasted" space, otherwise I'd be taking up a whole parking spot.

As for any striped area near any handicapped spot, no way.

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I really hope I am preaching to the choir here, but I have seen a very disturbing trend lately and hope to bring it to people's attention.
In the past I have seen motorcycles park in the striped areas around handicapped parking stalls and just this week I saw two different bikes in two locations doing just this thing. To answer a question: no neither one of them were Dr. House.
To me this is just rude and ignorant and it gives all of us a bad name.
That depends on where it is. The local walmart (ok "local" is 25 miles away) has this. They have a cart corral (shopping cart return area) and a planted tree and just used the striping to fill the area in between the two. There is no way a vehicle can park there, there is no way that a vehicle that did park there would need or reasonably be able to use that space. I park between the tree and the cart corral which is striped. The space between the two is maybe 2/3 of a normal space in width.

The other side of the cart corral (nearer the store) is where the striped area that could be used is located. I have only seen 1 bike there ever, usually they park in the regular spots. Note all of this striped area is the same blue/white color as the disabled parking is next to the cart corral.

Just because it is striped does not automatically mean that it is usable space for anything really.

OTOH afaik CA DMV does not give disabled plates out for motorcycles. http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/plates/specialplates.htm You may notice that Olympic Games 1984 and Press Photographer both have motorcycle sized plates while disabled does not. If they do I have never seen one and I did not find one with a google image search.


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In the defense of some,there are riders who have disability status but do not have a plate. I guess they could hang a tag somewhere but sure enough someone would steal it. Saw a Kilboy photo from the Dragon showing a rider with a crutch of sorts strapped to the side of the bike and they were an amputee from the right hip. You never know.

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Gads, that sounds like my father was from about 80 years old on... He'd pull up and park on the end caps and actually right in front of stores in loading zones.

The bad part - he probably easily qualified for the handicapped spots due to his knees and mobility, but he wouldn't do the sticker or hanger deal.

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I usually park half way up the parking lot... its nice and open, and I dont mind the walk

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I have no problem with motorcycles parking in the "extra areas". In fact, like I said, I think it would be great if the stores could designate some of those areas for motorcycle only parking to keep the " insane parking lot" drivers from plowing their vehicle into some poor unsuspecting bike. What I think is ignorant is using the spaces on the side or between spots that are obviously for unloading areas for handicap vehicles.
Trixter, am I right that you posted in another thread that you only have one hand or am I thinking of someone else? While I wouldn't say that it would affect your parking I do think that if there are some who need a disabled plate on their motorcycle (or trike) then it should be something the state provides. I would guess it is different from one state to the other and obviously some states don't do that even though it would be great if they did. Yes, someone would steal a placard, but maybe even a non-removable sticker for the plate if they can't do special plates. In which case if they did then the motorcycle could use the regular handicap stall.

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I have a son in a wheelchair. In order to get his chair out of the van, it needs to come out the side door. This is why you see some handicap parking listed as "Van Accessible". Those spots leave extra room on the sides to allow a ramp or lift to operate freely. If someone parks in the marked off area next to the spot, it would be a shame for the mechanical lift to knock the bike over.

OK, I wouldn't really knock the bike over, but it sure ticks me off when I see it. It hasn't happened to me yet. If it did, I would park the van just right so that when the lift is lowered it would block the bike in. Then I would leave the lift down the entire time.
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I really hope I am preaching to the choir here, but I have seen a very disturbing trend lately and hope to bring it to people's attention.
In the past I have seen motorcycles park in the striped areas around handicapped parking stalls and just this week I saw two different bikes in two locations doing just this thing. To answer a question: no neither one of them were Dr. House.
To me this is just rude and ignorant and it gives all of us a bad name. Sure, those handicap stalls are some prime spots and I would love it if there were designated motorcycle stalls in all parking lots (I have seen a few just around here), but there is a good reason for the way they are set up. I am saying this from a personal perspective because my brother is in a wheelchair from a dirt bike accident. His truck is set up so that the wheelchair is hooked to a crane in the back and swings out to his door greatly improving his mobility and independence. I know that many handicap vans are also set up with lifts that come out from the side doors for the same purpose. Obviously a bike parked in the striped areas can cause a major problem with both.
I am thinking that if maybe the wheelchair accidentally bumps into the bike coming out the door and flips the bike onto it's side, the bike owner will then understand why it's illegal to park there. IMHO, this is just more arrogant dipsticks giving bikers a bad name.
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I agree. I have family who have a genuine need for those handicapped spots.
My brother can barely walk and has the HC plates. When we went out, 99% of the times the HC spaces were all taken up and half the cars in them had no HC tags. I would have to drop him off near the door then drive a mile to park and walk back. People really are dipsticks.
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I have the little wheelchair plates on all of my bikes and am allowed to park in the handicap spaces, but don't like taking up a space. I'll usually find a spot to park along the store front or in a striped area. I've never had any problems doing this. I think the people might react to seeing the bike setting there and then see the plate and let it slide.
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I park in the stripped spots and have no qualms about it. You can do it and use your brain.

Im not going to park directly NEXT to the parking spot. Next time your at Waldo World look at the HUGE amount of space they stripe off.......me and 3 ridding buddies can park in the spots in the front of the row and still not be any where near a vehicle, crane or not.
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its funny i park in the ststripped areas and nothing happens as soon as i park in a spot someone back into my bike so now i park where i want
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He!! Wal Mart employees park their bikes on the striped endcaps. It's pretty obvious when you park whether or not you'll be obstructing someone. Just use your head.


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My mom is handicapped and when I driver her to the store it totally enrages me how many non-handicapped people take up those spots. Costco has 100 handicapped spots (not literally), and EVERY blame one of them is full. Yeah, right.
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My mom is handicapped and when I driver her to the store it totally enrages me how many non-handicapped people take up those spots. Costco has 100 handicapped spots (not literally), and EVERY blame one of them is full. Yeah, right.
The gym I attend has an overabundance of handicap spots. I'm amazed at the amount of people that will park in a handicap spot to save walking an extra 20 feet and then jump on the treadmill for an hour.


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I'm amazed at the amount of people that will park in a handicap spot to save walking an extra 20 feet and then jump on the treadmill for an hour.
I'd make a bet that the vast majority of those who park in the "No Parking" zones to save a few steps probably could benefit from the exercise.

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as soon as i park in a spot someone back into my bike
Park way out at the far end of the lot where there are no other vehicles. Problem solved.

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A large percentage of the population believes that one must be nuts to ride a motorcycle, shouldn’t that qualify us as handicap and deserving the parking place?:icon
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Techincally, you can only park in the bow, not the stripped area. Even if you have a handicapped tag. I saw a guy get a ticket for parking between two other cars, just be cause he had a tag and wanted to park in the handicap area! Even parking a bike in the stripes can get you at ticket.

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best thing ive seen is a handicapped guy roll up on an ultra classic turned into a trike. he hung his handicapped tag off the throttle grip. had a suicide shift on the left (clutch attached to te shift grip)
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At a local fast food joint there's an angled striped spot, a car wouldn't fit there without blocking traffic, then a small space it's wide enough for a bike, but I think it's intended as a walk way out the front door.. then 2 HC spaces.

In that location I will park on the stripes with my bike as I'm alway getting to go orders so I'm not there long, and I'm not blocking any cars HC or not.

Pardon the term, hopefully I don't offend somebody, but I'm a parking Nazi when it comes to HC spots. I will confront able bodied people parked in those spots. Why? you may ask. Well because I'm disabled, not enough that under the current local rules I can get a HC placard. Most days I wouldn't "need" it anyhow. Some days I do. My knees have been shot since I was 12, and I royally *bleep*ed my back in the Canadian Armed Forces. But anyhow if I can manage not using those spots other able-bodied people better not park there.

Oh another pet peeve.. oh this one gets me... A vehicle with a HC placard parks in the HC spot, the HC person is in the pass seat.. the driver who is not HC gets out walks into the building/store/whatever leaving the HC person in the vehicle.... GRRRRR that spot is if the HC person is getting out..


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heh there's a grocery store with 4 HC stalls, they are wider than normal stalls.. but I can't even count how many times I've seen the HC person stay in the vehicle there, and there's normally 3 or 4 regular stalls right next to the HC stalls that are open, 2 of them are actually closer to the door than the HC stalls... GRRR*^*$#^*$&(^#$)
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Taking a handicap spot and not having credentials for it is disrespectful at the least. As far as other spots to park a bike at Wally World. I park right up against the store kinda in the area of where they put the carts in, never had any problems.
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At a couple stores I rode up onto the sidewalk and parked out of the way but under the overhang/awning/covered area as it was raining nobody said anything.. 'twas a small town though.

At work I keep joking with Facilities about making dedicated motorcycle parking. One time I showed up, no spots left in the lot and I wasn't going to park my bike on the street so I found a sidewalk path on the property which nobody uses as it's overgrown with trees and it's quicker to walk downt he parking lot than to use this sidewalk.. so I put it there... nothing was said.

One evening there was plenty of parking, but I was being a twit so I parked on a concrete pad right outside the door, it was there as a landing from a set of stairs to a temporary building. The stairs had been removed and the building will be going away soon, so I wasn't in the way.

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Taking a handicap spot and not having credentials for it is disrespectful at the least. As far as other spots to park a bike at Wally World. I park right up against the store kinda in the area of where they put the carts in, never had any problems.
You may be able to do that several times and be ok, but don't be surprised if you come out of the store and see your bike heading down the road on the back of a tow truck. Yes, they can and will do that at WalMart, depending on the manager and if they notice the bike there.

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You don't always know the full story.

I sometimes park in the blue line areas by the handicap parking places. But I am handicapped. I ride a trike because I can't hold up a bike any longer. There is no place to put mt handicap placard on my bike. I did someone would just steal it. So, I use the unused portion of the parking lot.

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I've been rated 27% disabled by Canadian Vet affairs just for my lower back, plus my knees and neck.. anyhow I have a handicap placard, which thankfully I only need 1-2 times a year, other times I'm good enough I don't need it or there's another spot that's close enough. Anyhow the little handicap sticker they put on the placard, I got the equivalent of our DMV to give me one of those stickers, and I put it on my plate. I still have to keep the paperwork on me(I do anyhow) and they want me to keep the placard on me, but I never have. That way if somebody sees me parked in a Handicap stall, and they look at my plate to make a complaint they'll see the sticker.
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Since we are in the topic of handicapped spots, I hate when large stores want to have 2 square miles worth of parking lot, so by percentage law for handicapped slots, they have to have 80 handicapped spots when they'll never see more than 10 legit handicapped people in their store at any given time.
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I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, but I see people with handicap plates, get out of their cars and move and walk as normal as anyone else. To me it seems like it is abuse by many people.
To me these spots should be reserved for people who truly have difficulty in getting around.
What brought this to mind is a few days ago wife and I went to one of the Malls, all the handicap spots were taken and coming from the center of the parking lot was a lady on crutches, I just wondered how many of the people that took those spots really needed to use them?
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Lots of issues being addressed in this thread. One that I want to start with is about folks with handicapped plates, parking in a designated spot, but "appearing" to be able bodied. Don't be so quick to judge. Sure, it could be a relative of a disabled person, but it could also be someone with a heart condition that can walk a short distance looking normal, but if they had to walk a long distance they would have problems doing so.

Here in Illinois the state will only issue one handicapped license plate. I own two cars and a motorcycle, and my handicapped plate is on one of the cars. My other car had a placard, but the state would not issue a second placard for my motorcycle. Now in fairness, since my heart surgery and my double knee replacement and after full recovery from major lung surgery I am probably doing well enough that I don't really need a handicapped plate at all, but the reality is that a rider may be handicapped but have his one and only plate on another vehicle.

Finally, I will admit that sometimes I have parked in the striped area near a handicapped parking spot. But if I do, it is always far to the side, where in fact I would not be interfering even with a wheelchair lift or other device needed by the handicapped driver. Parking like this leaves the bike more visible and less likely to be smashed by a driver thinking a regular space is open and pulling in too quickly, knocking over the motorcycle that is legally parked there.

I'm much more concerned with cars taking up the whole handicapped space and not having the disabled plate, a placard, or any other indication of them needing that space, but doing so just for personal convenience. I may be alone in this, but more often than not the car involved is a Lexus or BMW or Mercedes or other luxury, expensive car where the owner obviously thinks that because he/she can afford this expensive car they also have the right to park wherever they want to.

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Don't be so quick to judge. Sure, it could be a relative of a disabled person, but it could also be someone with a heart condition that can walk a short distance looking normal, but if they had to walk a long distance they would have problems doing so.
You are right, and I didn't think of that.
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At TCC they have a blue handicapped spot with white stripes around it for van access. Then, painted continuously with those lines, and with a line perpendicular to them, is the white striped part for motorcycles. It sounds weird. You have to know that the perpendicular line is what cordons off the mc parking from the handicapped parking.

Well, people were messing that up. They'd park in any of the slots created by the white lines. The school painted "Motorcycle parking" in red across the mc slots, and "No parking" in red in the van access zone. Problem solved.

Well, mostly. I still see bikes parked across the slots. No biggie, really, since we all fit, but that's double parking.
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Lots of issues being addressed in this thread. One that I want to start with is about folks with handicapped plates, parking in a designated spot, but "appearing" to be able bodied. Don't be so quick to judge. Sure, it could be a relative of a disabled person, but it could also be someone with a heart condition that can walk a short distance looking normal, but if they had to walk a long distance they would have problems doing so.
Thanks for this Vito.

I had open heard surgery in 1991, have very bad asthma, and also have severe back pain due to injuries.

Much of the time, as long as I can find a spot reasonably close for either my car or bike, I will take that spot instead of a HC spot. Sometimes I will park farther out depending on how I feel. But then, there are those days where I am either feeling borderline, or the only spots are way the heck out in the lot, so I take a HC spot with the car. I can't with the bike because I don't have a MC HC plate, and I won't use the placard on the bike because it WILL be stolen.

I can walk from that HC spot looking like I'm 100% able bodied, but by the time I have to return to my spot, I can often either be in severe pain, or having so much trouble breathing that I need the HC spot. I never know if or when I'm going to have a problem - so I have to put up with people judging me every time I park in a HC spot just because in their eyes I'm not HC, especially when I walk in looking like just your typical overweight dude. I hate that feeling of being judged,

I have a placard. I have the ID card in my wallet. It was all obtained legally going through my doctor. Who is anyone to judge whether I have a right to park there or not? The only one who has any right to question my is a police officer who should politely ask for my HC ID card, accept that my doctor knows what he is doing, and tell me to have a nice day.

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